I have been a subscriber of Details Magazine for years. That is until I saw the infamous “Gay or Asian?” article in 2004. I remember vividly when I first came across it – I was speechless. For those of you who don’t know, Details had a article written by Whitney McNally with a picture of an Asian male dressed in regular clothes. The challenge Details was presenting was figuring out if the guy was gay or Asian. Read this article!
This really pissed me off. It told me that some white people assume they can get away with it because the target is a bunch of passive Asians. Do you think they would’ve had the gull to do a “Black or Criminal?”? No way in hell. They know that if they had done so, the powerful Black organizations and groups would raise hell. The point is that they think they can pull this shit off and consequently, Asians get no respect whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with gays or homosexuals but I do have a huge problem with the fact that they think Asian guys are effeminate and gay-like in the stereotypical sense. I remember sharing my feelings and this article to a couple of SAMs…they blew me off saying I was too serious and I need to chill out. This infuriated me! That’s the exact type of passive behavior the white people assume and expect from us.
Click here for a closer look at the article: 
The joke’s on us and we sometimes just play and laugh right along with them. Seriously, we sometimes play a huge part in our own downfall. Fucking pathetic Asian behavior.We have to be more proactive and not let allow them to patronize or devalue Asians in this reckless and disrespectable manner. And yes, there were many who did retaliate and protest. But again, volumes can be voiced in greater numbers.
This guy online wrote: “Details magazine article “Gay or Asian” (p.52) written by Whitney McNally serves as a wakeup call about the American media’s continual stereotypical depiction and portrayal of Asians. Wake the fuck up everyone! Asian Americans are NOT in control of our own image and identity. Time and time again, we are confronted with nonsensical, peculiar portrayals of Asians in television, print magazines, advertising, newspapers, and the Internet. Asian men are typically portrayed as kung fu masters, nerds, gays, or non-masculine. Asian women are meek/submissive or dragonladies. McNally also disrespects gays in the article.
There are many sources online that document this. Check ‘em out.
http://www.asianmediawatchdog.com/detail/detail.html
http://www.glaad.org/poc/api/get_details.php?PHPSESSID=378eebcc6a3c30e8e43720dc677cbdbd
August 30th, 2006 at 4:42 am
A big problem is the lack of unity among the Asian community. And we’re a small population with a small voice. I think the US population stats show Asians as being about 4% of the population versus about 14% black. What we need is the Asian equivalent of an Al Sharpton. The editors of Details wouldn’t dare do something like that with a black of hispanic because they’d be a HUGE uproar, protests, NAACP all over their ass.
If our voices are never heard, then no non-Asian will ever question the rightness or wrongness of such shit put out by Details magazine. They’ll just accept it and laugh at it without seeing how offensive it is.
August 30th, 2006 at 6:03 am
Damn, here I thought *I* invented this phrase. Not in a derogatory way, just explaining why my gaydar doesn’t work: grew up around too many nice Asian guys.
Don’t get angry about it, though. There’s also: Gay?…or French? Gay?…or Italian? And French and Italian men are considered suave lovers. In fact, the metro thing plays to their advantage. That’s why women love gay men: can discuss fashion, feelings, fat, etc with them, and gay men are generous with compliments. To generalize widely, hetero French and Italians get lots because they play on the whole “all the advantages of a gay man…but we’re not gay!” Nice Asian Boys: you could do likewise.
It’ll get you a lot further than being butch, trust me.
August 30th, 2006 at 7:43 am
I think the problem is the article is written from a racist and homophobic perspective, using all the most crude and childish insults to do so. I wouldn’t care if the article were about the fashion sense of gays, asians, or gay asians–but that’s obviously not the point, which is to belittle.
August 30th, 2006 at 8:51 am
True. The opening blurb says it all. “General Tso style” – huh? “Shaved balls or shrimp balls” – huh? “Choke up on your chopsticks” – huh? “Study hard Grasshopper, a sharp eye will always take home the plumpest eel” – huh, huh, and huh?!
“Inscrutible”, “delicate features”, “ladybird finger”, “waxing on, waxing off”…okay, I stand corrected; read the entry, not the article. This is more sheer stupid than racist. Don’t worry, the white boys know deep down that Asian guys are cuter, and without stupid stereotypes they just can’t compete.
Any Veronica Mars watchers? I can’t recall the exact quote, but something to the extent that many erudite, smart, interesting men are not gay, they’re just…Asian.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:49 am
The article isn’t racist or homophobic, it’s just crude humor.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:32 am
No matter how metro American women think Italian or French men are, these fellows get laid left and right. You kidding me? American women love Italian men. And many of the European stereotypes of these men are good as far as having that ‘mojo’. For example, Italians are known to be very aggressive, tall, dark and handsome.
Us Asian guys? What do we have? We have this stupid article.
My point is that the article IS crude humor. But that’s the key – “humor”. The writer thought it’d be funny and the entire Details staff, including the editor-in-chief thought readers would enjoy its crude humor. They thought this is not going to be offensive. And if it is, it’s not a big deal because Asians are nobodys and completely passive anyway – “We can get away with this”. I will never pick up a Details Magazine ever again!
August 30th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
C’mon, the article is on one hand making fun of gay men and Asians for being too metrosexual, and yet is, itself, a vapid style magazine pushing certain name brands and fashion, even in this piece.
It’s too rich with irony for me to take seriously.
Fuck Details magazine.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
But, just think if it was a black man, and they something like ‘One cruises for fried chicken; the other chomps on his watermelon’… Oh, shit! Riot in NYC and LA. Seriously. That’s the difference, bicyclethief.
Actually, my girl works at a local community college, and there was this old white math teacher who had a story problem on his exam. The exam question said that Condoleeza Rice was on top of a building and she dropped a watermelon. Calculate the acceleration and blah blah blah. Anyways, the teacher just put in her name without thinking. Before, it used to be Gallagher, that comedian from the 80s who was always smashing watermelons. Anyways, a black student got upset, it was on the news, formal apology by the teacher, etc…
This article goes one step beyond, implying that Asians are gay. That’s just lame.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Sounds like you have a low opinion of gays (you’re at least using “gay” as a pejorative) and therefore this association with Asians is offending you. Isn’t that funny?
August 30th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
There you go with the over-analysis of words again… Dude, I LOVE gay guys! I have gay friends. They teach me a lot. WTF?
Bicyclethief, from your comments, I sense a lot of anger and negativity within you. Are you one of those guys who likes to just disagree with everybody, cuz that get’s old quick, and you lose friends that way. Please don’t use this site to egg people on and criticize them. You are entitled to your opinions, but don’t manipulate people’s words. The point of these discussions is to constructively think about these ideas together, without competition and without getting personal.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Me, angry and negative? Are you serious? Look at other people’s comments. Look at the posts. Then look at my responses.
Admittedly, I do like a good argument/discussion though. And I like to think for myself. Sorry if I offend you by being somewhat confrontational.
As for the gay subject, I’m not the one that wrote “…implying that Asians are gay. That’s just lame.”
But this site is funny to me sometimes. On one hand, you’re crying foul that Asian men are perceived as shy, unassertive, not good with the ladies, etc. and then you’re writing self-improvement articles to confront these very traits. So, it seems like maybe you think (1) at least some of the stereotypes are deserved, or (2) you’ve internalized the very stereotypes against you.
That aside, I genuinely like reading and posting on some of the subject threads here.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Hey Bicycletheif, just wanted to say that I think you have some of the most insightful comments on the board and you’re a welcomed member of the community. Keep on truckin’ brutha!
August 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
YBicyclethief, I think you’re right on both accounts – 1 and 2. Yeah, there are stereotypes out there. Yeah, many of them are based on general truths as all stereotypes are. Yeah, the media (both print and TV and cinema) reinforce some stereotypes. And yeah, some Asians are the ones at fault for reinforcing stereotypes. We do it to ourselves sometimes. So how do we combat these and break free? Well, there are many things and we can and do discuss those here.
It’s like Banana Republic – Asians love this! I’ve heard this before by Whites. And guess what? It’s totally true. I myself love BR and so do alot of my Asian friends.
Bicyclethief, I do love your comments and wit. But I do disagree that the Details spread was a crude joke or a irony. Smaller minority groups have always been bullied around and picked on – Gays and Asians. They’re making fun of us. It’s not crude or ironic or funny. It’s just plain…..exploitation and abuse.
August 30th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
The obligatory introduction: first time reader, first time commenter. (ha)
I enjoyed this update and how it brings attention to Asians portray (“image”) in the public eye and media and how it is askew. And that action must be taken to have our voices heard to rectify such situations is true and spot on.
I agree with bicyclethief though on how the choice of words that are thrown around would imply a “low opinion of Gays”.
I do hope that SAM–and everyone else–knows how to differentiate and distinguish the difference between being effeminate and being Gay. Since i am hopeful that everyone is aware that either being Gay or being called/labeled Gay does not mean a man is effeminate. Because if not, then the stereotype of Gay men will be further perpetrated.
p/s.: i hope i am not “egging” anyone on or criticizing anyone. but if we are going to be correct about the whole thing i thought i would comment about it.
August 30th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Well, I am not the type to carefully tiptoe around my word usage. English was my worst class…A minus.
Look, guys. This is not a PC site, if you haven’t noticed already! We talk like guys here, and we say stupid shit sometimes. I don’t want to be having to explain myself everytime I open my damn mouth, cuz half the time I don’t even know what’s going to come out. End of this discussion on my end.
Stereotypes. Stereotypes are not fiction. Do you know why Asian men are perceived to have slanted eyes and smaller penises? It’s because some of us do. (I’m well-hung, BTW. I’m talking about the eyes. The EYES! ) Just because you don’t believe a stereotype doesn’t make it false, guys. Disbelieving a stereotype won’t make your penis or eyes bigger, and it won’t make you suddenly outgoing, expressive, and taller.
So, I believe that stereotypes have some truth in them, and you can analyze if you fit into the SAM stereotype. If you do, then you have the choice to change it. Very simple and logical and pragmatic.
Anyways, I’m tired. I’m gonna take a break from commenting.
August 30th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
I wonder why this guy agreed to take this photo? Even Soondooboo would say ‘Hell No!’. He must have been criticize by his friends.
August 30th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
No, believe me, I don’t particularly like being the butt of jokes behind this Details piece. I just thought it was about as abrasive as a Dave Chappelle skit, except way the fuck less funny. (Maybe a MAD tv Bobby Lee skit?) And, of course, it’s not satirical whatsoever.
But the primary audience demograhic for Detail magazine is probably young, not-too-clever, straight white guys. Anybody deviating from this demographic is probably gonna get swiped. Not that that excuses the piece, but it weighs in on my sensitivity meter, ya know? It’s akin to a retard (no offense to you mentally challenged folks who’ve learned to work the mouse) calling me names. Meh.
August 30th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
I’m a newcomer as well. Nice to meet y’all. (Bow, bow)
Reflective SAM’s words are right out of the article. The article is stating Gay or Asian, and implicating that Gays and Asians are so similar, it’s hard to tell the difference. As an Asian man, I resent that, and it has nothing to do with if I like gays or not. Like, don’t imply that I’m a damn ‘drycleaner’ or a ‘teriyaki store owner’ or even an ‘engineer’ just because I’m Asian. In this context, all those labels are derogatory, even though there’s nothing wrong with them innately.
August 30th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
http://men.style.com/details/features/landing?id=content_4865
“NOMINATE THE NEXT ‘GAY OR…’”
Check out the context of where this Asian piece we’ve been discussing comes from. It’s just a dumbass magazine.
August 30th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Adding to what bicyclethief said, perhaps it’s even MORE effective in spreading stereotypes if the target audience is stupid white guys. It causes even more damage by spreading these ideas to guys with pudding brains. Like another article commenter said, ignorance isn’t justified. Just because you’re ignorant, it shouldn’t get you off the hook. If a dumbass magazine writes dumbass comments, and thousands of dumbasses read it, and we’re just sitting here passively saying they are dumbasses, then, who are the real dumbasses? Us.
August 30th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
If it were just the gay or Asian joke, it’d be one thing. But the text is just dumb. If they ran some of the more accurate stereotypes, the stuff that this site makes the funny with, it would be cutting, yes, but funny and unracist. Whoever wrote this obviously doesn’t know many Asians.
Yeah, there should be an outcry whenever stuff like this comes out. But there’s also a matter of choosing your battles. Ie, you SAMs: instead of whinging about being seen as asexual, stop acting asexual. And one reason Asian men are underrepresented in American pop culture? So few Asian-American males go into the entertainment biz. Yeah, it’s tough to break into, but chicken/egg, have to start somewhere.
BTW, check out http://www.aznlover.com/. It’s scary, but pretty amusing.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:54 pm
Why don’t you Emotional SAM or anyone else who’s really offended by this piece, deconstruct it and show me why it’s so offensive. Maybe then I’ll see your point better?
August 31st, 2006 at 12:42 am
This particular article is a bit of a grey area.
I can see this being a funny article by the extra commentary “shrimp balls or shaved balls..”, but on the flip side funny isn’t necessarily right.
Bad taste varies for many, but playing devils advocate was Metrosexual a word in 2004. I don’t think so, “queer eye for the straight guy” wasn’t even out back then, was it?
One thing that this was an Asian issue, but you’re telling me no Gay Groups got upset by this?
We understand Gays more these days from exposure or tv shows, so we’re just finding out that Gays aren’t all prissy types. Some can look very masculine and straight, so I’m wondering why there wasn’t an uproar about Gay bashing?
Cause its portraying not only an Asian man , but a Gay man as being prissy of sorts or what we now call metrosexual. Frankly I think metrosexual the term is bullshit, if you’re styling, you’re styling. You’re telling me a pimp can walk around with a green feather scarf, yet a Asian guy can’t walk around with bitchin shades eventhough their made by Dior.
I must say if it was an Asian Mag, the title would be American Asian or Fob, or Are you fobulous?
August 31st, 2006 at 1:06 am
Make no mistake, the article says “GAY” and not “Metro”. There’s a difference. David Beckham is known for being metro. Being metro is not a bad thing. Now, effeminate guys don’t get girls. Why? Because they are gay-like. Asian guys are not effeminate, but maybe a few % of them are, just like a small % of non-Asians are. I don’t want people to think that Asian guys = effeminate. Here are just a few reasons why I dislike the Details article:
1. I don’t want people to project this notion or image that Asian guys are known for being effeminate or gay-like.
2. I don’t want Joe Schmo who lives in Iowa thinking Asian guys are all gay.
3. I’m annoyed by them patronizing and mocking Asian guys.
4. I’m bothered by their audacity and thinking they can get away with this. Again, they’d never go the “Black” route because they’ll get hell for it.
August 31st, 2006 at 3:45 pm
this is ridiculous that you keep mentioning “gay-like” as though it is a negative connotation to be Gay. If you are truly here to stop stereotypes of minorities (asians), then why cant you be able to understand and stop (be correct) stereotypes for other minorities (Queers) as well?
scroll above to read what i wrote previously if you do not understand what i am getting at.
and lastly, i know understand what you mean about Asian people not having control of our own image in the media, but stop playing the “Black route” card. you can only use it so much. why? because Whitney wrote an article of “Gay or British”! ( http://tian.cc/2003_oct_british.jpg ) The last time that i checked, the BRITISH is compromised of a huge “audience” and do wield more power than the “Blacks” within our country. Whitney is being ignorant and just aiming where ever for some cheap laughs. End.
–honestly, you SAM’s are contradicting each other and yourselves. You call for attention for the choice of words that the Media uses in association with and in the portrayal of Asians everywhere? Hooray, good for you. But then you turn around and slap another group of Minority (Queers) in the face, even after other people in the forum has pointed out that you are. One of the SAM’s remarks on how SAM is not here to be P.C. … then what the was the goal of SAM in to begin with? Was it not to bring awareness to Asians? to be make damn sure that our public “image” is Politically Correct? because we are damn tired of be named “slanted eyes” and “small penises” ?
really… how could you strive for one thing and turn your back and ignore another altogether? in this case, a group of people.
once again: being Gay or “gay-like” does not mean you are effeminate. That is being Stereotypical. IN which case you would be a “Whitney”
August 31st, 2006 at 3:49 pm
in your GLAAD reference link (http://www.glaad.org/poc/api/get_details.php?PHPSESSID=378eebcc6a3c30e8e43720dc677cbdbd)
you will notice that within GLAAD’s letter to Details Magazine it does not mention how they are offended that they are being associated with “Asian’s” — basically what you are doing right now, saying that it is a bad thing to be associated as Gay– but instead withing GLAAD’s letter they make a note of how Detail magazine offends the Asian population by implying they are effeminate. Not because they labeled them Gay.
August 31st, 2006 at 4:20 pm
I swear owbert is not my double account.
August 31st, 2006 at 6:10 pm
Owbert has a point. You’re right that if Asians want equality in N. America, we don’t want to get it while putting down other groups, like women and gays. We can all work together as minority groups. We can support them, and they can support us.
I didn’t think saying ‘gay’ was offensive in this usage, but I guess it can be for some. I for one will be more careful to say ‘effeminate’ from now on, and have decided to shoot my mouth off less. So, if any magazine implies that Asian guys are ‘effeminate’, kick their arses!
August 31st, 2006 at 6:15 pm
thank you. and i will look forward to more updates from SAM and hoping that change will occur.
August 31st, 2006 at 8:26 pm
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply or insinuate that being gay was bad or negative in any sort of way. I’m not trying to say that at all. I was just trying to say that Asian men are many things, some may be a bit effeminate or gay-like. But I don’t like the fact that they generalize that ALL Asian men are like this. That’s an incorrect assumption. But either way, the article had a distinctive negative connotation regarding Asian men and Gays. My apologies.
August 31st, 2006 at 8:46 pm
I guess when I said it, I wasn’t outraged enough.
August 31st, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Hey, owbert, nobody is gay bashing here. The P.C comment about this site is here to allow us to speak freely.
The P.C agenda is so lame, you know what like I said before if I’m going to refer to the race of people I’m going to say white, black or whatever. I’m not going to type Caucasian or African-American every time I want to use that in a sentence, I go for the plain and simple approach.
And if you’re sooo into being P.C then what would you call a black person from Africa, if you just say African then you assume all people from Africa are black. So the plain and simple bottom line of talking is what should be used in this site.
SAM MOD’s you should put something to nature of what I said above in the about page, and name it a rule – so we can link people every time they get picky about wording and tell them to refer to the rule list. As in a rule you can use if you want to without getting freaking testy every time someone says something.
AND THE LAST TIME I CHECKED THIS WASN’T A GAY PREMOTION OR DEMOTION SITE, BESIDES THE GAY POPULOUS HAS MANY ADVOCATES SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF, HOW ABOUT YOU GET YOUR ASS TO SPEAK ON OUR BEFHALF SINCE WE LACK THOSE ADVOCATES.
August 31st, 2006 at 11:03 pm
True enough as well we are getting bashed by this ad. I guess its the principal of the matter than the actual matter. They assume people can get away with it, but one day the shit will hit the fan and the person that missteps, I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.
I mean we already have so many sites out there, like angry asian man .com and so on under friends of this site its only a matter of time. But in that time we can keep changing the way people think of us period.
I’ve read of radio stations where they’re either mocking asians or strengthening stereotypes, and people got pissed and forced radio stations into apologies. Its not much, but I guess we can’t let others get away with even little shit like that. It stunts our growth, for every two steps forward, there is a one step back, but we are moving forward make no mistake.
If you can educate just one mind into changing the way someone thinks of asians then thats success, cause hopefully that one informs others of their ignorance.
September 1st, 2006 at 12:07 am
Well said, Blade. (applause in the background) Make everybody racist accountable for their words. (Unfortunately, that means that we have to be accountable for our words, too.
Just kidding, it isn’t unfortunate; it’s a given.) That’s why I wrote that above. Yeah, it’s a double standard if we’re mouthing off upsetting women and gays, and then we get all pissed about a Details ad. I’m not saying we can’t cuss out, but if we’re pissed at racists, let’s keep it focused on them, and not offend any other groups/allies along the way. Funny thing is that we here at SAM.com have not written anything on “LOVE” yet!
September 1st, 2006 at 12:09 pm
New to this and want to throw in my 2 cents.
The title says it all, Gay or Asian? It’s like the phrase they use on the terrorists and Muslims, “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims”. It’s saying “All Gays are not Asians, but all Asians look Gay so we’ll lump them all together and can you tell the difference”? Smooth chest? Lady fingers? What does all that mean? All Asian men are like females, that’s what it means and they’re unattractive. It means why would any female be attracted to a female looking guy? Lately on T.V. commercials you see a lot of Asians being made fun of. Sports commercials especially. The pot belly white guy is made to look cool and the Asian guy is made to look gay or just unattractive and/or stupid looking. This article is just another reminder that Asian males are not attractive and if any women is dating a Asian guy, there’re dating a female looking, nerdy, and unattractive person.
It’s OK for White or Black person to look metro, but if it’s Asian, He’s gay. WTF… It’s OK for White or Black person to look clean and sharp, but Asian, he’s gay? Asians has to look nerdy? Look unattractive? If he looks clean and sharp he’s gay? We all work hard to make money… why can’t we look nice? I don’t hate or dislike gays, but I’m not gay and don’t want people to think I’m. This article is to remind most females and males who buys magazines that “keep in style” that “Asian Males are gay. Females… Do Not Date.
And for all the Asians that continue to make commercials that make fun of your ethnicity and yourself and have no moral like Bobby Lee. They are just continuing and feeding the stereotype. Look at Dave Chappell, he quit his own show because he knew his show, was wrong because it was making fun of his own Race and making people think ’stupid black people(s)’. Bobby Lee… every time if I’m home and happen to channel serf by his show, He’s always making fun of himself and his own Race. Freaking disgrace. That’s why people are always going to stereotype Asians as stupid and nerdy looking. Bobby Lee ALWAYS plays those part the best. People watching are laughing…with him and AT HIM. And since the Media and TV and has been lumping all Asians are alike and gay. THEY LAUGH AT ALL OF US! Bobby Lee is famous… But for what? Making fun of himself and his ethnicity. This might be off-topic, but has everything to do with the topic. Think about it.
September 1st, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Nope, you are right on topic, aZNsMOKEoUT. (Too hard to write, so I copy/pasted!) The media is full of Asian comedians, and being Asian, they tend to humbly make fun of themselves. I want to see an Asian comedian who says jokes about white and black people! That’s what we need; somebody who doesn’t play within PC boundaries. I agree that they are laughing AT US more than with us.
Like a lot of other articles mentioned, we as Asians need to be aware of this, and be role-models ourselves. And, we need spokespeople who show another side of SAMs: the cool, collected, thoughful, handsome, and sexy Asian guys. There are a LOT of us like this, you know!
September 1st, 2006 at 2:33 pm
The thing that strikes me the most is that Whitney is obviously a clever writer, but it’s not funny at all. I see this a lot in American white humor. They make quick, smart remarks, but it’s just not very funny. It’s like they just want to assert that they are clever people, but it doesn’t go beyond that. I’m not saying Contro and I are the funniest people on earth, but we’ll get you rollin’ on the ground, biatch! And, we are BIG fans of black humor. If you haven’t seen the KINGS OF COMEDY, please do so.
September 1st, 2006 at 4:08 pm
Clever? Anybody whose career consists of writing “Gay or …” articles for a men’s fashion magazine is a chode. What a waste.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:55 am
Honestly, it didn’t piss me off that much. The guy in the picture does look kinda gay. His style is off, too many trendy items playing off each other and it doesn’t work on him. Let’s face some hard truths here, some of us do look effeminate, and it’s evidently reinforced by the perceptions of others. Why else would a stereotype manifest itself? It couldn’t just fart out of thin air, can it? Yeah Whitney was trying to be funny in her article but I don’t think she hates asian guys and wants us all dead. I really don’t think that’s the case here. Does it set a bad example? sure. But, we live in culture that attacks everyone indiscriminately, even if you are an alpha human.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 am
Oh boy. Flame ON!
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pm
bicyclethief, don’t get worked up over it. So are you a homophobe who likes stealing bikes?
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm
I try to mix the two and only steal bikes from gays and lesbians.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:43 pm
So not only are you against gays but you’re against them owning a bicycle. Boy, that is prefound hate. Are you in the closet?
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Not only shouldn’t they marry, but they ought to walk where they need to go. My hate is that profound.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 pm
So there are two things I know about you. One is that you’re against gays and gay marriage, and two, you’re a criminal who steals bikes and believes everything you read in a government census report on crimes commited by race. Interesting, not only are you ignorant but you’re naive too.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:57 pm
Are you seriously this dense?
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:05 pm
Take it easy you think I take this kind of anoymous butchering without a grain of salt?
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:06 am
YO kids, take your name calling and comebacks to the school yard, stop wasting space people with actual suggestions can post.
If you have valid suggestions on the topic, great show us your logic and reasoning skills, but keep the backtalk to yourselves or at most your points.
Your opinions are only as mature as you are, so do you want people to take you seriously?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 am
How does anyone take someone seriously when they call themselves “bicyclethief”?
Let’s look at the picture again. The guy in question, not a bad looking guy by any means, and I’m straight. But look at the way he’s dressed and how he presents himself, how he poses, his haircut, the sunglasses, the over-the-top Evisu jeans which yells tacky. More importantly, this guy represents how a lot of asian guys dress and act out there, and sadly there are worse out there. Let’s just be glad that it wasn’t terribly bad of a picture, I can dig up some real tacky ones just to show you people that asian guys can be really out of touch. ok Even before the article was thought out, if I had seen this picture I would thought the same exact thing Whitney was thinking when she thought of writing about it. I’m not saying it was right but I chose to laugh with it, not at it. Since we live in a very sensitive and pc world, or nation, it didn’t surprise me that a majority of us got upset over it. I’m just talking about what I felt about it personally. The point of style and fashion is to pull it off without trying too hard, even if the items are ultra trendy, the point is to make it look natural on you. That’s the key. Those jeans? Could have worked but not there. I should be a consultant.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:21 pm
True enough, what you said about just talking what you thought personally about the article. I viewed it the same way if you read earlier posts. But in the same breath you also said “I’m not saying it was right but I chose to laugh with it, not at it.”
Which is true, and what I agree with – but who are details magazine or any media to exploit that fact. Its not so much that we’re PC, if the world was PC to Asians we wouldn’t have problems since people wouldn’t assume we’re gay by the way we dress or call us derogatory names.
Its the principle that if we let people like this get away with it, then its like a green light for them to get more and more bolder — since they think we don’t care what they say about us or how they portray us.
So although I think like you that the article is minor and funny its still like giving them power to demoralize Asian males, we’re not Oliver twist saying “more please”.
I’m not saying that some Asian males dress border line gay, some fobs do. But thats not for the rest of the world to worry about thats an internal thing. I find it funny since a lot of fashion statements come from the west ripping off Asians. I mean Asian males started to spike up the front of their hair, guess what happens months or a year later — suddenly white guys are sporting the look too. What about the bleached jeans trend that came out of Asia, suddenly companies in the west started copying and the west started sporting it.
Asians in the east I think are actually trendsetters cause their not afraid to try any shit, and if the west likes it they have no problem copying it.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Blade, I really don’t think whites were thinking of us when they first spiked their hair and bleached their jeans. Let’s assume they did, whites would never admit to it. They like taking credit for everything. If some white guy in the eighties saw an asian guy spiking his hair in a hong kong flick, I highly doubt the guy called up his buddies and said dude I’m going to spike my hair like that asian dude. I don’t think so. Also, why would anyone admit to trendsetting bleached jeans? Regarding the article, I know what you mean, if they can get away this they can get away with more. Regardless, they’ll find other things to poke fun at and it’ll be protests all over again. That’s the price for being a minority. I used to be sensitive but I’ve chilled out a bit. I realize that everyone’s a target for a good joke and all we can do as a community is limit how much of it gets out of hand. So in essence, I’m with you on that.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:02 am
True enough no way in hell would they ever give credit to an Asian guy, but its not about giving credit its about swiping our ideas since they don’t have many fresh ones themselves.
I mean regardless of what I think about whites, the fact is they don’t have a culture so they steal from others. I mean come on pizza and spaghetti originates from Italians. And when Tommy Hilfiger released his clothes he made it for upper class rich white preppie types, then the black dudes pimped out the brand and made it cool.
As for bleached jeans it was just an example, it could be anything that makes them money but stole from Asians.
Yeah, I don’t mean we should all go buck wild with mob justice, I just mean like you said stick to our guns as a community to limit what they can do and keep it in check. Nice to be on the same page in more ways than one, cheers dude.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Umm actually, Italians are …white, and hmm.. spighetti was ripped off from the chinese. Remember Marco Polo? The medieval greaseball that travelled to asia and fell in love with noodles?
Give the whites some credit. They did invent electricity (benjamin franklin), the automobile (henry ford), and the airplane (the wright brothers). But I wonder, if you’re assesment is correct about them stealing ideas and using it as their own. I wonder.
September 12th, 2006 at 11:43 am
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September 24th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
This is probably wayyy too late for anyone to see but I just got turned onto this site a few days ago:
I’m guessing I’m probably a couple generations older than the average viewer on this site and through the decades what I’ve noticed is that …
initially it was the black guy that had the big dick and everyone ohh’ed and ahh’ed about it and this positive stereotype was frequently referenced in the media.
then it was the Asian guy (specifically Chinese) that had the small dick (as ushered in by Eddie Murphy’s “Raw” comedy album) and no stand up comedy routine (Andrew Dice Clay, et al) would be complete without at least one Asian penis joke.
after that, the whites slowly graduated into the “big American sausage” category leaving Asians as the guys with the small dicks.
This quickly developed into a double stereotype where:
a) ALL Asian guys have small dicks.
b) ONLY Asian guys can have small dicks.
Now with the popularization of the homosexual lifestyle, you’ll notice that in Asian/Western couples, it’s the westerner who’s the “Alpha Male” aka “Top” while the Asian guy is the “bottom”. In other words, it’s the westerner drilling the Asian dude in the ass.
The above has been going on for a few years now but the latest emerging popular sexual trend is the “shemale” and many Asian guys are “dressing up”,
unless we reverse this trend ASAP, I have to wonder “what’s next?”
July 17th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
This was indeed a pretty stupid attempt at humor probably intended to amuse and titillate the readership of Details with “wink-wink, nod-nod, elbow your bro in the ribs” gay imagery. The editors probably thought it was so silly and over the top, no one would take it seriously. I doubt it was intentionally malicious, but clearly bone-headed (now there’s an image) when the potential for offense to large numbers of people is present.